A journey driven by purpose, bridging the gap from cocoa farms to chocolate bars, and affirming the dignity of every individual involved.

During EarthX 2025, Lawrence Ford, Founder & CEO of Conscious Capital Foundation, sat down with Dr. Kristy Leissle, PhD—a leading cocoa and chocolate expert and founder of African Cocoa Marketplace. Their conversation explored the meaning of living with presence, connecting diverse worlds, and establishing a more equitable value chain.

The full discussion offers a grounded perspective on the processes of cocoa growing, fermentation, and trading. It addresses why “last mile” farmers often remain overlooked and how combining compelling storytelling with direct market access can secure better terms, fairer prices, and deeper respect for the people whose work makes our chocolate possible.

00:05 Three Questions and Why Are You Here
01:47 Do No Harm and Being Present
04:34 Cocoa and Chocolate Trade Expertise
09:25 African Cocoa Marketplace Explained
10:16 How Cocoa Is Fermented and Dried
13:07 The Last Mile and the Unbanked
19:08 Gola Rainforest Bar and Being Seen
21:43 Chocolate Tasting and Food of the Gods
23:47 Keeping Value in Africa Through Local Chocolate Making